Join Community. King Cold is easily the strongest member of his species. Quote. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. In an official guide, it was shown that as soon as Freeza was born, he already had a power that surpassed that of his father. Furthermore, at this point, Frieza had received a boost in power from his mecha form. king cold because his power level is between 130,000,000-155,000,000 whlie frieza s was only 120,000,000-145,000,000 mecha frieza 150,000,000 the opening of the broly movie shows him retiring and placing frieza directly in charge of the frieza force, so he was really only a king in name as frieza held the command, we don't actually know what cold was up to between that point and nameks destruction. King Cold (コルド大王, Korudo Daiō) is the father of both Frieza and Cooler, and the clandestine leader of the Planet Trade Organization. Cold isn't stronger than Freeza. Well, after transforming into his 3rd (1st one being regular) he said something along the … Cold even gave up his position as the leader of their planet-conquering organisation because Freeza was stronger and more unscrupulously evil than him. Frieza was surpressed when they said cold was stronger but frieza is actually stronger. Goku loses. Not only wasn't he threat, but he was a valuable ally. This clearly establishes that "they" (or just Cold as revealed later by Toriyama) were powerful in their own right way before we get that bit of dialogue commenting on Cold's power at the beginning of the Artificial Humans arc. Probably not; I never got the impression that Mecha-Frieza was significantly stronger than he was before (if he was Gohan certainly would have said something about it). However, there is nothing conclusive to say that King Cold is stronger. There is a common belief (I know its not canon feat) that King Cold could transform like Frieza. May 1, 2017 16:03:59 GMT. Canonically, he wanted to retire and passed it down to his son, so whether he was stronger or not would be irrelevant anyways. We don't know if cold was stronger than Freeza. The Daizenshuu indicates that Freeza was the stronger of the two. Trucks made both of them an absolute joke and their power was never touched on in any official capacity and his ability to transform or not is purely speculation. Goku just got back to Earth from Yardrat. Because he wasn't worried after Trunks killed Frieza so easily, he just seemed like laughing about it which suggested he was much stronger than Frieza. Don't remember where I read this but Freeza has an additional form is in order to further suppress his overwhelming power or somethin like that. Because of the way they acted when they went to Earth. So Frieza is stronger. Exactly how much stronger is uncertain however. Apr 30, 2017 2:35:28 GMT Conqueror Geng said: Also, this particular screenshot (was this anime only? If King Cold was weaker, Freeza would have probably killed him and taken the official title of King. There are a few options here: 1. The only hint of his strength is that the Z fighter sensed another huge power level. That's why I say it can't be anything other than a retcon. I was wondering who was truly stronger out of the two. it's also possible frieza despite being stronger couldn't kill him easily, as frieza struggled in his final and full power forms with energy and stamina which is why he spent most of his time in a suppressed state, his father shows no signs of using transformations so it's possible he's a bit weaker than full power frieza but more in control of his power. We don't know if cold was stronger than Freeza. We all know what the Viz Manga says and it's generally regarded as the Vegeta never knew who he was because King Cold retired when he was a baby, and since Frieza ran everything, there was no reason for Vegeta to know who King Cold was. King Cold possess horns that have lines on them.At the time when his role as emperor of the Cold … [Normally] but as you know, DBZ has many hole in their story. Stronger than Yamcha, weaker than Goku. it's possible he was actually properly retired just sitting in a palace on a random world living the hedonist life whilst his son sated his appetite for conquest on the known universe, cold doesn't oppose frieza in anyway so there's no need to kill him. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. That’s not true, since every official source says that Freeza is stronger than his father. Give Gift; Back to Top; Post by Griffith on May 1, 2017 16:03:59 GMT. Also, the new Broly movie starts with King Cold handing power of his army over to Freeza. Mecha Frieza has had a tough power to gauge here. The manga says they’re close in power and then Gohan says Frieza’s power gets even higher. Much like folks in organized crime often feel attachment to their elders. King Cold is Stronger than Frieza The (Viz) manga does not contain the majority of these statements (as some come from filler scenes), but it does not contradict them either. His power is such that, according to him, it is physically impossible for him to regress to the first form of … Cold was the head of their family's organization only until Freeza came into the picture, after which he stepped into the shadows. 2 hours ago We don't know if cold was stronger than Freeza. King Cold is weaker than his son, and the Super Broly movie pretty much explains why he was no longer running the show. The game Budokai Tenkaichi 3 states that "Officially, King Cold's strength is greater than Frieza or Cooler's". A discussion-dedicated Dragon Ball subreddit. Cooler’s strength is interesting. Obviously, he still needs to be much weaker than Super Saiyan Trunks. His physical appearance is very similar to his sons', looking nearly identical to Frieza in his second form. Mecha Freeza had suppressed his power and King Cold did not when arriving on Earth. Frieza never killed his father, because he still respected him. I see no reason for Freeza to keep his father alive other than the fact that maybe he WAS stronger than Freeza? FACT: King Cold is stronger than Frieza and Cooler; User Info: Lord_of_BeefDip. they're both weaker than cooler. The story only provides this information for Frieza, who himself said he couldn't control it, and supplementary material provides that the two were born powerful alone. Cold likely retired to some planet somewhere and chilled while Frieza ran the Empire. By his own account, as well as that of his son Frost, he easily outstrips both Frost and Frieza in terms of power. He was still "Freeza-sama", the unofficial emperor of the universe whose mere name struck fear into the hearts of countless mortals. Why where the Androids stronger than Mecha Frieza? Who saved him when he was half-dead, floating in space? Not only does he mention his "parents", but he mentions them in reference to Goku's power being strong enough to cause him to dust himself off in his true form. I mean look at Super, he didnt bring his father back because he didnt want Cold around anymore, something that was probably always in his mind but could execute it just yet? I'm not going to argue the power dynamic between the two, but in terms of claim to the empire it's made clear that he retired and gave control of his army to Freeza. Did Trunks vs King Cold in Dragon Ball Z prove anything? New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, A subreddit for all things Dragon Ball! Freeza also mentions the existence of his parents during his fight with Goku. Cooler stated literally that Frieza was stronger than him until he used his fifth form. Thread starter Trollasaur; Start date Aug 8, 2013; 1; 2; Next. He retired from the day to day operations of his Empire and handed it over to Frieza, where it was renamed the Frieza Force. The Daizenshuu indicates that … Go. More importantly though, why are you so upset about it? The only hint of his strength is that the Z fighter sensed another huge power level. He was caught completely off guard. 3 years ago. Freeza is undoubtedly stronger than Cold. Frieza is superior to Cooler in every form, unless Cooler uses his final form. Select Post; Deselect Post; Link to Post; Member. I doubt Freeza cared about having an official title like "King" or whatever. As it stands there is no direct comparison between the two other than "King Cold is also pretty strong too, bro", so there isn't much to dig up on the subject. Video games have shown King Cold to be able to use the Death Cannon and also the Death Beam. 0. King Cold is weaker than his son, and the Super Broly movie pretty much explains why he was no longer running the show. Freeza is stronger than King Cold. Because he wasn't revealed til after the Frieza arc ended. The only reason why he got involved was that his son was in danger on Namek, and he intended to help aid him, which led to him going to Earth alongside Frieza … Cold could almost certainly transform but he wouldn't be stronger than frieza in any form Based on what material? Cold likely retired to some planet somewhere and chilled while Frieza ran the Empire. I think there's a difference between just not bothering to bring him back and wanting to kill him. Also its stated King Cold might be stronger than Frieza. 1 of 2 Go to page. discord.gg/dbz, Press J to jump to the feed. His skin is darker than Frieza but lighter than Cooler's. besides we have no idea how strong they were in relation to each other, we know they were described as two huge power levels, so i assume he was stronger than any z fighter on earth but perhaps not on par with final form frieza. That’s why Frieza was made leader of the force when he was so young. He is stated by himself and in a guide El Manga Legendario to be stronger than he was on Namek. Is this the biggest UNSEEN FIGHT in Dragon Ball History? One that fits this example; Frieza said after his transformations he cannot revert back. The only reason why he got involved was that his son was in danger on Namek, and he intended to help aid him, which led to him going to Earth alongside Frieza which resulted in his death. According to the newest Broly movie, King Cold retired and gave control to Frieza, and remember Cooler isn't canon.. and in Future Trunks arc, I think it was established that Frieza had more latent potential but King Cold had trained more or something so he was a bit stronger, and possibly not in his final form, but just speculation. The only hint of his strength is that the Z fighter sensed another huge power level. Well, we really don't know much about their relationship. How Strong REALLY is King Cold in Dragon Ball Z? all you people who say Cooler is the strongest of his race followed by Frieza or vice versa are all wrong. So, there is really no retcon. I got the sense that Freeza had respect for him in just the fact Cold was his father. Only the English dub of the anime says yes stronger, and that’s an incorrect translation. ): Yeah, that moment only ever appeared in the anime. So I was wondering who really is the strongest out of the two. Which made Yamcha sense that King Cold was stronger, however, Gohan literally states what they are sensing is just the tip of Freeza's strength. Since Trunks defeated him before he could show his true power, however, one could assume that he would have won if not for his … I'll tell you why: because the existence of King Cold is RETCON. We all know that King Cold was stronger than the suppressed Mecha-Frieza, but all evidence points toward King Cold being vastly superior to even 100% Frieza. Vegeta was stronger than his dad so why must Cold be stronger than Freeza in your opinion? King Cold has been stated to be stronger than both Frieza and Cooler, though the Daizenshuu states he is "somewhat inferior to Frieza," likely due to him only being in second form. discord.gg/dbz, Press J to jump to the feed. 543 Anime Fans. Lord_of_BeefDip 8 years ago #31. Making an educated guess, I'd say King Cold did not love Frieza but did not despise him either. HOW did Future Goku DEFEAT King Cold and Frieza in the Future Trunks timeline of Dragon Ball Z? King Cold's height is inconsistent, at his smallest his height is similar to to that of second form Frieza, while at his largest King Cold ranks among the tallest villains in the Dragon Ball universe - with Mecha Frieza only reaching his knee. I even called him "daddy", showing a certain respect! cold to frieza is like Trunks to Vegeta lol. In the series, Frieza says that he is strongest in the universe. That's ridiculous. The existence of King Cold is a RETCON because in-universe it would make more sense for Cold to be the leader since Cold is ACTUALLY the most powerful being in the universe not Frieza. Cold isnt stronger. So yes, Freeza was stronger than King Cold. Freeza is first allowed by Vegeta to transform, and then he transformed the next two times just as an excessive show of power. Also note that Cold's existence isn't really a retcon, Freeza mentions his "parents" before Cold ever appears. Cold himself said that frieza was even more cold-hearted then himself. It works like this: Frieza (Dragon Ball Super) > Cooler > Frieza (Dragon Ball Z). King Cold IS /suppose/ to be the strongest. Mecha Frieza vs King cold - Page 13. It's never been said Cold is stronger, so your complaint is meaningless outright. This was never established nor stated. The fact that Frieza, one of the most tyrannical characters, actually obeys King Cold is very telling. What's the point of him being so powerful if he also has a father who is of similar or slightly higher power? It's implied that Frieza got stronger with the upgrades and that King Cold is a couple notches above his son's final form, in order to keep him in check. There's even a scene in the broly movie where as soon as frieza was old enough, he introduced him, and retired, thus turning the cold force into the frieza force. King Cold gave him his position and didn't look interested in being in charge, so why would Freeza kill him? This topic is about the strength of King Cold, Mecha-Frieza, Trunks, and Goku. Cold wasn't a threat to him; he was just his retired father. Frieza said he was the strongest right in front of his father and cold didn't object. Frieza was supposed to be the most powerful being in the universe. He retired from the day to day operations of his Empire and handed it over to Frieza, where it was renamed the Frieza Force. A couple scenes later, Vegeta says that he can sense Frieza and another energy even stronger then him. Like Frieza and Cooler, King Cold's name also refers to low temperatures. Edit: Actually, probably around ssj Goku's level if not a little stronger. Why be a King when you can be the Emperor? I just cant see Freeza having any loyalty. I get the feeling it might be up and down through some sources but would him transforming make him stronger. Frieza is supposed to be a type of guy that no one can touch, it just waters down his status if there's King Cold and some other members of his family who are of similar or higher power. All official sources establish Freeza as still being the most powerful. Seems like a really minor thing to rant about. Freeza is the strongest. 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